The first hurrah
Anwar, Patrick and Ivan on moats, vibe-coded apps and AI against AI hackers. Plus the first client after 93 days, why the technical people are slower with AI, and the AI prompter Ivan runs in his sales calls.
TokensPodcast
An AI podcast from three founders who use it to run their businesses.
Latest episode
Episode 1 · 12 Nov 2026 · 59 min
From Episode 1
- CLIP 01
3 months to learn a skill. 93 days to the first client.
93 days to the first client - CLIP 02
If anyone can build a CRM in an hour, what's left?
Is there a moat left in software? - CLIP 03
Who checks your vibe-coded app for the law?
The law is the next moat - CLIP 04
The technical people are the slow ones with AI
Technical people are slower with AI - CLIP 05
You can spot a vibe-coded app from a mile away
Spot a vibe-coded app - CLIP 06
Ivan runs an AI prompter in his sales calls
A prompter in his sales calls
Hosts
Three founders, three businesses
Anwar Bouilouta
ABAI
Patrick Tosto
ClicklessFlow
Ivan Kruger
Vantage